Keywords: Open Ulcers, Triamicinol, Rashes, Pain.

Interview with Lesley Carter by Marilyn Thomassen, Esq.

MT
I understand that you had some treatments with the PAP-IMI Device with very impressive results for an incurable open ulcer on your leg. May I ask for some information on this?

LC
I will be very glad to answer all your questions.

MT
First of all you may confirm your name and let us know your age for this interview?

LC
Of course, my name is Lesley Carter and I am 54 years old.

MT
Oh good, you are man of experience, and may I ask what is your origin?

LC
Originally I was from London, England. Presently, I am living at Imperial Beach, California.

MT
What is your vocation?

LC
I am just an artist, a painter.

MT
That is exciting. May I ask now what was your problem?

LC
I had an open ulcer on my leg. It had been expanding and shrinking back and forth for the last ten years or so, but in the last year it became very severe. Nothing could be done about it. I had been treating it with a steroid type of cream, called Triamicinol, and superficially it had been of assistance over the years. But last March or April it started to deteriorate and grow until it was about the size of a dollar piece, at least an inch and a quarter across, and was very painful. I was also getting all kinds of secondary reactions. I was getting rashes on my leg, all over my body up to my neck.

MT
Did you go to any specialist Doctor?

LC
I had been to a couple of specialist Doctors in Hollywood all over, and General Practitioners, but my problem was not relieved, they could not help me. Then I came down to San Diego and sought treatment in Mexico. I was introduced to Dr. Pappas' machine by Dr. Freeman, a medical doctor, who is in residence in Rosarito Beach. I met Dr. Pappas just before Christmas, and had my first treatment just after Christmas.

MT
How many treatments did you have with the machine?

LC
Approximately twenty. I went in for treatments three times per week.

MT
What was the result?

LC
First of all, relief of the discomfort. All of the side reactions also disappeared. Then it began shrinking, after about three treatments. There was a relief of discomfort and a relief of pain. I began to notice the effects of treatment almost immediately, I felt the effects of the treatment after the first week. It began scabbing over and shrinking. Now it is less than the size of a nickel.

MT
What do you think of the machine?

LC
I would recommend it to anybody and everybody. It is an amazing machine!

MT
Did you notice any bad effects?

LC
None at all.

MT
Are you continuing treatments?

LC
At this time I have stopped since I am pretty much cured. I would take another couple of treatments, but its almost superfluous.

MT
Is there anything else you attribute to your cure?

LC
No, I attribute it all to the Pappas machine.

MT
That is all. I thank you very much for your information

COMMON SKIN PROBLEMS : DRYNESS AND WRINKLES

INTERVIEW WITH P.S.
by M. McGuire

MM
This is November 20, 1993, and this interview is with P.S., a female Caucasian, 58 years old. The subject is single and has an active career of 12 years in commercial and residential landscaping. The subject is tall, slender, attractive and appears to be physically fit.

MM
When did you begin treatment?

PS
I started in May of 1993. I have a busy schedule, but I've been receiving treatments at least twice a month.

MM
You appear to be healthy and in shape. What was your purpose in seeking treatment with Pulsed Electromagnetic Fields?

PS
I have severe skin dryness, to the point that it was constantly irritated and peeling. Also, I had deep wrinkles, particularly lines running from the corners of my nose to my outer lip and severe crow's feet around my eyes. I mean, those lines were deep. They were like imbedded indentations in my face.

MM
Can you describe the history of this skin condition?

PS
Oh, years and years of being sunburned and peeling, like everybody else in Southern California.: Overexposure.
My career as a landscape architect, is a lifestyle of constant outside ultraviolet exposure. When I was younger I did 5km running on the beach.

MM
What was your biggest complaint about your skin condition?

PS
Facial aging, that's easy.

MM
What other treatments had you tried?

PS
Oh, various topical treatments. I had jars and jars of creams. Nothing was available to work internally, so I just kept switching ointments. This was not a focused method of treatment. I had a complete lack of faith, and the results weren't there.

MM
Describe your first treatment with Pulsed Electromagnetic Fields (PAP-IMI Device).

PS
Well, it was simple. I held the insulated wand up in front of my face, about a foot away, for 15 minutes. Then I held it again in frond of my abdominal area.

MM
Were you aware of any changes following this therapy?

PS
Yes, it was internal, which was the nice thing. Within a few hours I felt very relaxed all over. I'm under a lot of pressure all day with my work, so the stress takes a toll. And my face was glowing! It was like the blood circulation had resumed and my face felt relaxed.

MM
Did you follow up this treatment?

PS
Yes. We decided to do "before and after photos" as a part of the regimen.

MM
Can you describe any apparent change in the actual nature of the dry skin condition itself?

PS
The texture of my skin is different. The wrinkles are fewer and they're not as deep.

MM
Over what period of time, from the first treatment, did you notice the difference in the mirror?

PS
Within a month to a month and a half. It was after four treatments that I started to actually see the improvement.

MM
Have your friends noticed?

PS
Yes,they noticed after two-and-a-half months. They said things like, "What are you doing? Why do you look so different? What lotion are you using?" [laughter]

MM
How do you feel about your appearance now?

PS
I feel more confidant. I make substantial contractual agreements every day in my career, and my personal appearance is vital in my presentation.

MM
What would you say to other women about Pulsed Electromagnetic Field Device (PAP IMI)?

PS
I highly recommend it. It gives a sense of well being rather than a panacea. It's deep, you feel the blood flowing in your skin. It's not like applying a musk of makeup to cover up. This treatment gets to the root of aging.

MM
Do you feel different about the aging process now?

PS
Absolutely. I'm not afraid when I look at myself in the mirror anymore. In fact, now I lean forward and touch my face with tenderness even. And I'm curious and kind of excited.

PAIN CASE

Interview of Dr Elmer Thomassen MD by Dr Panos T. Pappas.
Tape Transcription by Molly McGuire.
February 1994.

PTP
Dr. Thomassen you are a medical doctor, you are an orthopedic.

ET
Yes. I'm an orthopedic surgeon.

PTP
You had some recent exciting experience with my device-the PAP IMI 300, experimenting with it personally on yourself. Would you like to tell us what are your impressions, and what results you got?

ET
Yes. I would be happy to share my experience with your device. For many, for a number of years I've been walking on a painful right heal. I probably have a calcaneal bursitis, but I even had an X-ray taken recently and it didn't show anything. I would get up in the morning and my heal would be very painful to walk on it. Eventually, I could walk on it-this is typical for this type of problem. I tried everything including heal cord stretching, exercises, and the standard orthotics, the heal pads, and nothing seemed to help. I just sort of got used to the pain, but didn't like it. And it was always very tender to touch. The first treatment I had I got a little relief. The treatment for perhaps thirty minutes at most with the pulsating electrical magnetic field of your device and there was some relief but then, it was still painful the next morning again. Several days later I had a second treatment and since then it's been about 90% well. I have had a third treatment, and since then, it's been perfect. I don't need anymore treatments.
Today I had a different treatment for an adhesive capsulitis of the left shoulder, but I did not treat my heal because it doesn't need it. When I step on it now I can't tell the difference between the right heal and the left heal. And I did not change my shoes. The other day, I walked around New Orleans many miles every day. I try to walk for anywhere from two to five miles a day, at least every other day. I don't use any special shoes, so this has relieved the painful heal condition that I had which probably was a calcaneal bursitis rather than a planter fasciitis which is another common condition that causes this type of pain. I did not have a heal spur. A heal spur, incidentally, is not usually the cause of the pain, it's usually a result of whatever the cause of the pain is.
Now, I want to change the subject. When I first met you, Dr. Pappas, I had an abscess in my mandible maxilla. The left upper incisor had a filling about two months ago, and apparently the dentist did not get a complete seal, because when I would eat ice cream I noticed that for an hour or two afterwards I would have a tremendous amount of pain around the root of the tooth. Well after a few weeks I had an obvious tooth abscess. I went back to the dentist and he took out the filling and drained the abscess. He said there was a horrible smell to the purulent material he got out of the tooth root. He wanted to do a root canal. I told him I would prefer instead to try to heal it up and do some other type of repair of the tooth, and that is in the process.
Presently, accidentally with the treatments I had for my vision with your device, the abscess has healed completely. It's no longer tender. It feels the same on both sides of the maxilla. The tooth is no longer sensitive, even though I have a paper pack in the root canal at the present time. In addition, very interesting, when I treated the maxilla, I had for years, loose teeth in my mandible. The front incisors of the lower jaw are very loose. When I was born, my mother was in her early forties, and she traded in her teeth for me, I guess. That's what I was told. So when I grew up to about five, six, seven years old, I was told my mother had lost her teeth. Well, I didn't want to loose my teeth. So, I brushed the living daylights out of them just like a madman, all my life. I just brushed my teeth, and of course I brushed away my gums. So I have a severe gum recession, especially in my lower incisors and they've been loose for many years. I had been putting pressure on them and got some tightening up, but I noticed a tremendous improvement since I have had the pulsed electromagnetic treatment on mandible, which also then of course is in the same area of the maxilla. And so my teeth are now much more firm, but I'm still going to get some more treatment and see if it will heal the gums. The gums are markedly receded.
The other interesting thing is I went to the New Orleans American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons about two weeks ago. I usually take two grains of thyroid a day. I was taking my thyroid at the meeting because I tend to fall asleep during the lectures. About the third night I woke up and my heart was racing. It was beating too fast-nearly one hundred beats per minute. So, I decided that I needed to stop taking the thyroid, which I did. And I didn't take the thyroid anymore. And the reason for this I believe, after discussing this with you, Dr. Pappas, is due to the treatment of my shoulder, my heart, and my jaws, in which I also served to stimulate my thyroid in that general area. That is a very interesting phenomenon!
Now finally, I don't have diabetes but I do have Angina. I have treated the angina on a number of occasions but so far, I don't know whether it's helped the angina or not. I still have to slow down when I walk fast until I work through my anginal pain. So I'm still working through on the anginal pain. So I'm still working through on the angina problem.  So I will tell a story about the angina. This story is about a Mid-westerner who came to California to become a mortician. And he built a beautiful mortuary. He had a tremendous structure and he was very proud of it. His cousin came out to visit him. So he showed him all around, except one room. His cousin said, "What's in there?" And he said, "Remains to be seen." Well, that's the same story on my angina-we'll see what happens from now on out. I've been told that this may be useful for angina which presumably happened in your case, Dr. Pappas. However, I wonder if it was true ischemic angina or if it was some other cause for his chest pain.

PTP
Dr. Thomassen, did you have any adverse affects from your volunteering treatments, or anything that you would consider adverse?

ET
I have had no adverse effects from all these treatments. My shoulder is still limited in motion. But the capsule of my shoulder joint is scarred down. And the pain is better for a day or so afterwards, but it comes back. I would say it's, oh, about 20% better than it was as far as the pain in general. I don't have much trouble sleeping on it since I've had it treated. I've had about, what, four or five treatments on it over the last month.

PTP
How long have you had the problem with the shoulder?

ET
Well, the shoulder started about two and a half months ago after I threw about a hundred pieces of heavy plywood sheeting up on my roof. I did an emergency, a temporary roof repair. And about two or three days later, the shoulder started paining me, and it got worse and worse, and I thought I tore my shoulder cuff. But I've had it checked by the outstanding shoulder expert in the world, which is Steve Snyder out in the San Fernando Valley, and he said it was adhesive capsulitis. I argued with him. I didn't think it was-I thought it was a torn infraspinati tendon. But now, considering what has happened since, I have acquiesced to the point that His diagnosis was correct because I have experienced a marked limitation of motion in the shoulder. And I can't, even though the pain is relieved. I still can't go beyond a certain range of motion, although this is slowly improving with the treatments.

PTP
Okay. Can you tell us a few things about the case experimenting and treating your own eyes and vision?

ET
My vision...I have, of course, serious problems with it, glaucoma, since I was about forty years old. So I've had, at least, increased pressure, and some visual changes. And then about eleven years ago I had a laser treatment of the left eye for glaucoma, and within a month I got a cataract on that eye. And that condition has persisted. Then, five years later I went to the same doctor who is an expert, a world-renowned expert on glaucoma. He said instead of a laser which was used on the left eye, we would use a holmium-yag laser on the right eye which is not a heat mechanism that perforates to create a drainage hole for pressure relief like the first type of laser functions. Well the same thing happened anyway. So I now have bi-lateral cataracts; I am also near-sighted but can read without glasses. Prior to both kinds of laser treatments , I had three-plus far-vision or presbyopia, but that has since changed and now it's shrunk down on the right eye to minus 2.5 and on the left eye it's now neutral.
As far as the actual improvement in vision with the electromagnetic treatments, I'd say that falls in the category of Remains to Be Seen (laughter). After an exciting temporary improvement or stimulation of my general vision, at least it hasn't gotten any worse compared to what it was just before starting.

PTP
Thank you very much for sharing with us your personal experiences and observations of your experimental electromagnetic treatments, Dr. Thomassen. In closing, could you tell us your age at this time?

ET
By all means! I'm seventy-three years old. Seventy-three years young, that is.

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